MOORI5H AMERICAN MO5LEM5(MOE5)

[buGsy]

THINK ABOUT THIS... ITS 1913, BLACKS SO CALLED JUS GOT OUT OF SLAVERY ABOUT 40 YEARS PRIOR.. ISLAM ISN'T EVEN RECOGNIZED AS A FACTOR AMONG BLACKS.. BLACKS ARE STILL FOLLOWING THE CHRISTIAN DEMO AND EUROPEAN LABELS.. BASICALLY THEY'RE STILL IN THE DARK.. SO HOW CAN HE JUST BRING A WHOLE FOREIGN RELIGION TO THESE MASSES OF PEOPLE IN THE DARK FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND?? EVEN IN THIS DAY AND AGE I WOULD PREFER HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF SELF BEFORE I JUMP INTO A RELIGION NOT KNOWN AMONGST MY PEOPLE.. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SELF BEFORE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND FOREIGN DOCTRINES.. THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THE EUROPEANS WERE ABLE TO ENSLAVE THE MINDS OF THE MOORS BY TAKING AWAY THEY'RE ABILITY TO KNOW WHO THEY REALLY ARE.. THEN WITH THAT IT WAS MUCH EASIER TO MOLD THEM INTO BELIEVING THEY'RE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT.. ALL IN ALL I AGREE KNOWLEDGE OF SELF COMES FIRST BEFORE FOLLOWING ANY RELIGION.. AS YOU CAN SEE CHRISTIANITY WAS USED TO OPPOSE THAT.. NOW OUR CHRISTIAN BLACKS ARE IN THE DARK AS A RESULT..

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU SAY NOBLE DREW ALI FOLLOWED SUNNAH, BUT PREVIOUSLY STATED HIS INTENTIONS WERE TO START HIS OWN FORM OF ISLAM???

You only see things this way because you've been taught this from the Moorish Science Temple. Slavery ended officially around 1860, and after this, Moorish Americans were facing a lot of persecution from whites, especially in the southern states. When Timothy Drew (a.k.a. "Sharif Abdul Ali") started preaching his message about the "knowledge of self", he was telling the people what they wanted to hear - that they belonged to their own nationality, and they needed to stick together to overcome white oppression. He was simply a voice, not a prophet. He didn't get any of his so-called divine guidance from God, he took it from the Sufis... Knowledge of Self, according to his ideologies, is the knowledge of your forefathers. He's pretty much saying that you should follow a certain religion simply because your native people follow it, and that's not even the case for Moors. In reality, SUNNI ISLAM is the dominant religion is Morocco, not the quasi-Sufi teachings used by Ali. Not saying I believe in all of their teachings either, but why didn't he encourage his followers to study Sunnism??? Sunni Islam has been the dominant language in that country since around 710 A.D.!

It doesn't take abiding by your people's teachings to understand relative theology. Neither of my parents believe in islam/submission, and they hate the fact that I believe and practice it. Does that influence my belief in knowing the truth in it??? All of Abraham's people thought he was a psychotic, evil blasphemer because he opposed his people's polytheism, their worship of many gods. Jesus' people thought he was possessed by devils... Knowing yourself has absolutely nothing to do with what people in Morocco do, and MSTA beliefs are contrary to theirs anyway. Many Moroccan/Moorish muslims would say you're in the dark for believing the Drew Ali's propaganda, and many Christian blacks would say the same...

[YaRDie_HBo]

NO OFFENSE I DIDN'T READ ALL THAT THO.. FROM THE FIRST SENTENCE YOU STARTED OFF WRONG TO ME.. I'VE BEEN INTO THE STUDY OF SELF BEFORE I EVEN KNEW WHAT MOORISH SCIENCE WAS.. AS A KID I'VE SEEN FAULTS IN 90% OF THIS SHIT THAT SOCIETY HAS DEEMED "RIGHT"... YEA BUT TO THE TOPIC.. IMMA JUST LEAVE IT AS THIS.. FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AS A STUDENT I TAKE FROM MOORISH SCIENCE THE KNOWLEDGE OF SELF.. NOBLE DREW ALI EMPHASIZED THE STUDY OF SELF AND THAT'S WHAT I'M DRAWIN OFF OF.. I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ONES CAN EVEN CONSIDER NOBLE DREW ALI STARING A NEW FORM OF ISLAM..

[ZuluMC7]

Slavery ended officially around 1860

Slavery never ended.

Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Slavery is a legal punishment for crime

He's pretty much saying that you should follow a certain religion simply because your native people follow it, and that's not even the case for Moors. In reality, SUNNI ISLAM is the dominant religion is Morocco, not the quasi-Sufi teachings used by Ali.

Moor does not mean Moroccan, so this point is invalid.

[buGsy]

Slavery is a legal punishment for crime.

When I was speaking of slavery, I was talking about the American slave trade, not the legal punishment of servitude. This is a completely different, unrelated issue...

Moor does not mean Moroccan, so this point is invalid.

You're surely incorrect, brother, even according to Moorish Science. According to Sharif Abdul Ali, the land of Morocco was the "promised land" for all Moorish people, and he took many of his teachings from the Moroccan Sufi sect in the land. Most of his teachings are still carried on by Moors today, especially those who practice the belief of the Moorish Orthodox Church... The concept of forming an Asiatic race of "Moors" came from the Moroccan tribes - this is where Ali got his information, and this is where he said all Moorish people should migrate. However, contrary to his teachings, Moorish Science is not the dominant practice is Morocco, and neither is Sufism. The dominant teaching there is Sunni Islam, as it has been for over 1,300 years. I'm not saying I believe in Sunni Islam or in Moorish Science per se, but if Ali's true purpose was to present Islam in a pure, truthful form according to the Moorish ancestors in Morocco (which he claimed), he would've been teaching Sunnism...

[WESTSIDE 5TXNEBL5XD NATION]

NOBLE DREW ALI REASONS FOR STARTING MSTA WERE TO UPLIFT FALLEN HUMANTY BUT AS FAR AS ISLAM IS CONCERNED HE IS CONSIDERED BY SUNNI MUSLIMS TO BE A FALSE PROPHET.BUT AT THE SAMETIME THE HONORABLE PROPHET MUHAMMED IS ALSO CONSIDERED BY CHRISTIANS AND JEWS AS FALSE PROPHET.SO BASICALLY WHAT IM SAYIN WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND ARGUE ABOUT WHO IS FALSE OR NOT WHEN THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DONT REALLY KNOW HOW ALLAH(GOD) DEMONSTRATES THROUGH HUMANS OR WHO HE CHOSES TO TEACH HIS MESSAGE BECAUSE HE WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS UNKNOWN TO MANKIND.

[YaRDie_HBo]

MOOR DOES NOT MEAN MOROCCAN... AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOROCCO IS THE PROMISE LAND.. BUT ITS NOT INTENDED IN THE SENSE THAT ALL MOORS SHOULD MIGRATE THERE... SAYING WE NEED TO MIGRATE THERE WOULD CONTRADICT THE LESSONS OF SOVEREIGNTY AND, THUS SAYING WE ARE ACTUALLY IN A FOREIGN LAND.. MOROCCO IS THE PROMISE LAND IN THE SENSE WHERE HE FOUND LOTS OF TRUTH AND KNOWLEDGE..

NOBLE DREW ALI DIDN'T HAVE A MAJOR MESSAGE ON SUNNI ISLAM, BECAUSE HE TAUGHT ISLAMISM.. ISLAMISM IS WAY OLDER THAN THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH).. SO NO WAY HE'S GONNA ENFORCE SUNNI ISLAM WHEN HIS MESSAGE PREDATES THE TIME OF THE COUNTRY, IN THIS PRESENT DAY KNOWN AS, MOROCCO JUST BECAUSE SUNNI ISLAM IS DOMINANT NOW.. THAT MOROCCAN FLAG IS OLDER THAN THE COUNTRY ITSELF...

[Billy B the way]

you on ya shit yardie thats whats poppin

[WESTSIDE 5TXNEBL5XD NATION]

THE TERM MOOR IS NOT ISLAMIC IN ORIGIN.MOOR IS AN ANCIENT ROMAN TERM TO DESCRIBE ALL BLACK AFRICANS LIVING IN NORTH AND WEST AFRICA WHEREAS ETHIOPIAN MEANT TO DESCRIBE ALL BLACK AFRICANS IN EAST AND SOUTH AFRICA.

[buGsy]

NOBLE DREW ALI REASONS FOR STARTING MSTA WERE TO UPLIFT FALLEN HUMANTY BUT AS FAR AS ISLAM IS CONCERNED HE IS CONSIDERED BY SUNNI MUSLIMS TO BE A FALSE PROPHET.BUT AT THE SAMETIME THE HONORABLE PROPHET MUHAMMED IS ALSO CONSIDERED BY CHRISTIANS AND JEWS AS FALSE PROPHET.SO BASICALLY WHAT IM SAYIN WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND ARGUE ABOUT WHO IS FALSE OR NOT WHEN THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DONT REALLY KNOW HOW ALLAH(GOD) DEMONSTRATES THROUGH HUMANS OR WHO HE CHOSES TO TEACH HIS MESSAGE BECAUSE HE WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS UNKNOWN TO MANKIND.

This is true, brother, but that means his foundation isn't Islam at all, which he claimed it was. In the study of islam/submission, the Qur'an clearly says that Mohammed was the "seal of the prophets", meaning the final one. That separates the other monotheistic religions from the system presented through the Qur'an - Jesus never claimed to be the last prophet, and neither did Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, or any other Jewish messengers. Mohammed was the only one who did this, especially through a divinely inspired message. That alone makes Sharif Abdul Ali an imposter, even from the Islamic standard...

NOBLE DREW ALI DIDN'T HAVE A MAJOR MESSAGE ON SUNNI ISLAM, BECAUSE HE TAUGHT ISLAMISM.. ISLAMISM IS WAY OLDER THAN THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH).. SO NO WAY HE'S GONNA ENFORCE SUNNI ISLAM WHEN HIS MESSAGE PREDATES THE TIME OF THE COUNTRY, IN THIS PRESENT DAY KNOWN AS, MOROCCO JUST BECAUSE SUNNI ISLAM IS DOMINANT NOW.. THAT MOROCCAN FLAG IS OLDER THAN THE COUNTRY ITSELF...

You're only speaking on your own investigations, sister, and that's clear. Yes, the Moroccan flag (it's symbols) predates the country - that's true. But before the country, the Moroccan flag was a dedication to false gods, and the symbolism was based on pagan polytheism. The 5 points definately didn't represent LTPFJ. Originally, the Moroccan flag was presented with a six pointed star, representing the "Seal of Solomon", but it was changed to the 5 points for their Sunni religious majority, based on the Sunni 5 pillars of Islam. The color red was dedicated to the decendants of Mohammed the prophet... And you can't base the foundation of "Islamism" predating Mohammed because it didn't. The concept itself explains it all In reality, though, islam itself predates Mohammed, and it's traced as far back as Abraham, and even earlier. In the Arabic scriptures, the angels are also called "muslims"/submitters, so Islam predates humanity... The main definitions of "Islamism", even according to Moorish Science, are:

(1) “the belief that Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life”
(2) “a movement that seeks cultural differentiation from the West and reconnection with the pre-colonial symbolic universe”
(3) “the whole body of thought which seeks to invest society with Islam which may be integrationist, but may also be traditionalist, reform-minded or even revolutionary”
(4) a movement of "Muslims who draw upon the belief, symbols, and language of Islam to inspire, shape, and animate political activity." May contain moderate, tolerant, peaceful Islamists or those who "preach intolerance and espouse violence"

Based on the actual definition of "Islamism", it can't exist without Islam itself, and the form of islam that it's taken from only dates back to Mohammed. Before him, there was no Islamism, only monotheism through Judaism and Christianity and Abrahamic Islam/true submission to God Himself... When it comes to the Sunni sect being the dominant religion in Morocco, this is not new - Sunni Islam has been the main system there since around 710 A.D., almost 1,300 years.

[WESTSIDE 5TXNEBL5XD NATION]

NOBLE DREW ALI REASONS FOR STARTING MSTA WERE TO UPLIFT FALLEN HUMANTY BUT AS FAR AS ISLAM IS CONCERNED HE IS CONSIDERED BY SUNNI MUSLIMS TO BE A FALSE PROPHET.BUT AT THE SAMETIME THE HONORABLE PROPHET MUHAMMED IS ALSO CONSIDERED BY CHRISTIANS AND JEWS AS FALSE PROPHET.SO BASICALLY WHAT IM SAYIN WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND ARGUE ABOUT WHO IS FALSE OR NOT WHEN THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DONT REALLY KNOW HOW ALLAH(GOD) DEMONSTRATES THROUGH HUMANS OR WHO HE CHOSES TO TEACH HIS MESSAGE BECAUSE HE WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS UNKNOWN TO MANKIND.

This is true, brother, but that means his foundation isn't Islam at all, which he claimed it was. In the study of islam/submission, the Qur'an clearly says that Mohammed was the "seal of the prophets", meaning the final one. That separates the other monotheistic religions from the system presented through the Qur'an - Jesus never claimed to be the last prophet, and neither did Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, or any other Jewish messengers. Mohammed was the only one who did this, especially through a divinely inspired message. That alone makes Sharif Abdul Ali an imposter, even from the Islamic standard...

NOBLE DREW ALI DIDN'T HAVE A MAJOR MESSAGE ON SUNNI ISLAM, BECAUSE HE TAUGHT ISLAMISM.. ISLAMISM IS WAY OLDER THAN THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH).. SO NO WAY HE'S GONNA ENFORCE SUNNI ISLAM WHEN HIS MESSAGE PREDATES THE TIME OF THE COUNTRY, IN THIS PRESENT DAY KNOWN AS, MOROCCO JUST BECAUSE SUNNI ISLAM IS DOMINANT NOW.. THAT MOROCCAN FLAG IS OLDER THAN THE COUNTRY ITSELF...

You're only speaking on your own investigations, sister, and that's clear. Yes, the Moroccan flag (it's symbols) predates the country - that's true. But before the country, the Moroccan flag was a dedication to false gods, and the symbolism was based on pagan polytheism. The 5 points definately didn't represent LTPFJ. Originally, the Moroccan flag was presented with a six pointed star, representing the "Seal of Solomon", but it was changed to the 5 points for their Sunni religious majority, based on the Sunni 5 pillars of Islam. The color red was dedicated to the decendants of Mohammed the prophet... And you can't base the foundation of "Islamism" predating Mohammed because it didn't. The concept itself explains it all In reality, though, islam itself predates Mohammed, and it's traced as far back as Abraham, and even earlier. In the Arabic scriptures, the angels are also called "muslims"/submitters, so Islam predates humanity... The main definitions of "Islamism", even according to Moorish Science, are:

(1) “the belief that Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life”
(2) “a movement that seeks cultural differentiation from the West and reconnection with the pre-colonial symbolic universe”
(3) “the whole body of thought which seeks to invest society with Islam which may be integrationist, but may also be traditionalist, reform-minded or even revolutionary”
(4) a movement of "Muslims who draw upon the belief, symbols, and language of Islam to inspire, shape, and animate political activity." May contain moderate, tolerant, peaceful Islamists or those who "preach intolerance and espouse violence"

Based on the actual definition of "Islamism", it can't exist without Islam itself, and the form of islam that it's taken from only dates back to Mohammed. Before him, there was no Islamism, only monotheism through Judaism and Christianity and Abrahamic Islam/true submission to God Himself... When it comes to the Sunni sect being the dominant religion in Morocco, this is not new - Sunni Islam has been the main system there since around 710 A.D., almost 1,300 years.

IREAL TALK BROTHER BUT LIKE I SAID THERE WERE/ARE MANY FALSE PROPHETS THE CLAIM TO SPREAD THE MESSAGE OF GOD BUT IN REALITY THEYRE PERPUTRATING AS FAR AS THE BIBLE & CHRISTIANITY IS CONCERNED IT STATES THE ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST AS MASTER AND THE SON OF GOD IS THE ONLY TO HEAVEN BUT THE GREAT PROPHET MUHAMMED & THE KORAN COMES ALONG AND STATES THAT JESUS CHRIST IS NOT THE SON OF GOD THATS WHERE THE CONFLICT STARTS WITH NOBLE DREW ALI & HIS MSTA BECAUSE HE FUSES THE TEACHINGS OF CHRISTIANITY WITH THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM SO THATS THE CONFUSION WITH MOORISH SCIENCE & THE CIRCLE 7 KORAN BUT BECAUSE MOORISH SCIENCE TEACHES THAT YOU CAN BE A MUSLIM YET HONOR ISLAM THAT WHAT MAKES IT ATTRACTIVE SO WE CAN ARGUE THAT ALI WAS A FALSE PROPHET BUT HIS CONCEPTS ARE LIKE A WORD FROM ALLAH BECAUSE IT UNITES ISLAM WITH CHRISTIANITY.

[ZuluMC7]

I think concepts, ideals and lifestyles probably predate the words used to describe them.

[buGsy]

I think concepts, ideals and lifestyles probably predate the words used to describe them.

You are correct, brother. In reality, "islam" is not the name for any religion. It is simply an Arabic word meaning "submission", and it is the DESCRIPTION of the system. A person can willfully sumbit to anything or anyone... The actual status of so-called "islam" is monotheism, just as Christianity and Judaism. All monotheistic religions are really one religion (MONOTHEISM), people have just created separate sects of this religion to separate their belief systems (i.e. Judaism, Christianity, Islam). Even according to any of the monotheistic revelations, whether you're speaking about the Bible, the Torah, or the Qur'an, there is only ONE GOD, so there is only one religion acceptable to Him, monotheism...

[ZuluMC7]

I agree that monotheism is the highest truth, but as I study the MtNtr (Kemetic Spiritual System), I find that polytheism does not contradict monotheism. If you know that Allah is All, then anything that is seen as a higher power, is Allah.

[YaRDie_HBo]

PEACE BUGSY, IDK WHERE YOU GOT THOSE DEFINITIONS OF ISLAMISM FROM BUT THEY ARE VERY INACCURATE.. NOT ONE OF THOSE DEFINITIONS COMPLEMENT THE CONCEPT OF ISLAMISM.. SO I AGREE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU FIGURE ISLAMISM TO STAND FOR, THEN NO IT CANNOT PREDATE THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH).. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ISLAMISM WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST.. IF YOU WERE TO GO BY THE DEFINITIONS YOU STATED, THEN YES THAT'S JUST SIMPLY THE PRACTICE OF THE CURRENT RELIGION OF ISLAM...

BTW WHEN HAS EVER THE MOROCCAN FLAG TO HAVE A HEXAGRAM ON IT??.. THE 6 POINT STAR IS THE SEAL OF SOLOMON WHILE THE 5 POINT STAR WAS THE KEY OF SOLOMON... AND I'VE HEARD THAT RED REPRESENTS THE DESCENDANTS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH), BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.. ISLAMIC EMPIRES HAVE ALWAYS USED WHITE FLAGS.. THE RED REPRESENTS FALLEN HUMANITY AND THE BLOODSHED.. ONCE MOROCCO ACKNOWLEDGED ITS "MOORISH" HISTORY RED WAS A FACTOR.. WHEN IT WAS SOLEY ARABIC ALL THE FLAGS WHERE WHITE.. WHICH FLAG DID THEY USE TO DEDICATE TO THEIR FALSE GODS AS YOU SAY?.. THE CURRENT FLAG (RED WIT GREEN 5 POINT STAR) OF MOROCCO WAS JUST BROUGHT TO LIGHT IN 1912 WHILE THE FRENCH HAD MOROCCO.. SO YOU CAN'T PUT THAT ON THE FLAG THAT THE MOORISH AMERICANS HAVE CONNECTION TO.. AND YES THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY A STUDENT OF MOORISH SCIENCE OF WHICH I HAVE A GREAT LEVEL OF UNDERTSANDING PERTAINING TO..

ANY OTHER MOES THAT ARE MEMBERS IN THE TEMPLES OR STUDY GROUPS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BUILD ON..

OH AND BRIMSTONE.. THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN MIX ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY AND JUSTIFY THAT AS RIGHT.. THE LESSONS ON JESUS IN THE CIRCLE 7 KORAN IS BASED ON TRUTH ON THE LIGHT OF JESUS.. IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT TOTALLY DISMISSES CHRISTIAN BELIEFS.. NOBLE DREW ALI STATED IN THE KORAN, "THESE SECRET LESSONS ARE FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO LOVE JESUS AND DESIRE TO KNOW ABOUT HIS LIFE WORKS AND TEACHINGS." NOBLE DREW ALI WASN'T TRYNA TEACH CHRISTIANITY PER SE, BUT HE RATHER WAS AIMING TO GRASP THE ATTENTION OF THE BLACK CHRISTIANS TO READ TRUTH ON THE LIFE OF JESUS BEING THAT CHRISTIANITY WAS THE DOMINANT RELIGION OF THE UNCONSCIOUS ASIATICS AND JESUS WAS THEIR "SAVIOR"..

[buGsy]

WHEN HAS EVER THE MOROCCAN FLAG TO HAVE A HEXAGRAM ON IT??.. THE 6 POINT STAR IS THE SEAL OF SOLOMON WHILE THE 5 POINT STAR WAS THE KEY OF SOLOMON... AND I'VE HEARD THAT RED REPRESENTS THE DESCENDANTS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH), BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.. ISLAMIC EMPIRES HAVE ALWAYS USED WHITE FLAGS.. THE RED REPRESENTS FALLEN HUMANITY AND THE BLOODSHED.. ONCE MOROCCO ACKNOWLEDGED ITS "MOORISH" HISTORY RED WAS A FACTOR.. WHEN IT WAS SOLEY ARABIC ALL THE FLAGS WHERE WHITE.. WHICH FLAG DID THEY USE TO DEDICATE TO THEIR FALSE GODS AS YOU SAY?.. THE CURRENT FLAG (RED WIT GREEN 5 POINT STAR) OF MOROCCO WAS JUST BROUGHT TO LIGHT IN 1912 WHILE THE FRENCH HAD MOROCCO.. SO YOU CAN'T PUT THAT ON THE FLAG THAT THE MOORISH AMERICANS HAVE CONNECTION TO.. AND YES THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY A STUDENT OF MOORISH SCIENCE OF WHICH I HAVE A GREAT LEVEL OF UNDERTSANDING PERTAINING TO..

The original Moroccan emblem had the "Seal of Solomon" on it, and many forms of it still have this symbol. The 5 pointed star was never regarded as the "Key of Solomon" until recently - before then, it represented 5 distinct things, the Sunni Islamic 5 pillars... Many Islamic empires has white backgrounds on their flags to represent purity, while red was used to represent the decendants of Mohammed. The Moroccans claim that their people have direct lineage to the prophet, and that's why they use the color red - it has nothing to do with bloodshed and fallen humanity. The 5 pointed star throughout history has been a symbol of paganism, and they changed the symbol to "Islamic" as a representation of the Sunni sect, who incorporated 5 pillars into their belief system...

[ZuluMC7]

This is info that I came across initially in a few different writings by people like Churchward and Dr. Ben Jochannan, but right now I'm pulling from hyperflight.com to show some evidence for the path of Venus in the sky being the basis for the 5 point star.

This coin is from like 400-300 BCE
I'm not sure what that means.
uhh... I'm confused!

[WESTSIDE 5TXNEBL5XD NATION]

PEACE BUGSY, IDK WHERE YOU GOT THOSE DEFINITIONS OF ISLAMISM FROM BUT THEY ARE VERY INACCURATE.. NOT ONE OF THOSE DEFINITIONS COMPLEMENT THE CONCEPT OF ISLAMISM.. SO I AGREE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU FIGURE ISLAMISM TO STAND FOR, THEN NO IT CANNOT PREDATE THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH).. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ISLAMISM WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST.. IF YOU WERE TO GO BY THE DEFINITIONS YOU STATED, THEN YES THAT'S JUST SIMPLY THE PRACTICE OF THE CURRENT RELIGION OF ISLAM...

BTW WHEN HAS EVER THE MOROCCAN FLAG TO HAVE A HEXAGRAM ON IT??.. THE 6 POINT STAR IS THE SEAL OF SOLOMON WHILE THE 5 POINT STAR WAS THE KEY OF SOLOMON... AND I'VE HEARD THAT RED REPRESENTS THE DESCENDANTS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH), BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.. ISLAMIC EMPIRES HAVE ALWAYS USED WHITE FLAGS.. THE RED REPRESENTS FALLEN HUMANITY AND THE BLOODSHED.. ONCE MOROCCO ACKNOWLEDGED ITS "MOORISH" HISTORY RED WAS A FACTOR.. WHEN IT WAS SOLEY ARABIC ALL THE FLAGS WHERE WHITE.. WHICH FLAG DID THEY USE TO DEDICATE TO THEIR FALSE GODS AS YOU SAY?.. THE CURRENT FLAG (RED WIT GREEN 5 POINT STAR) OF MOROCCO WAS JUST BROUGHT TO LIGHT IN 1912 WHILE THE FRENCH HAD MOROCCO.. SO YOU CAN'T PUT THAT ON THE FLAG THAT THE MOORISH AMERICANS HAVE CONNECTION TO.. AND YES THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY A STUDENT OF MOORISH SCIENCE OF WHICH I HAVE A GREAT LEVEL OF UNDERTSANDING PERTAINING TO..

ANY OTHER MOES THAT ARE MEMBERS IN THE TEMPLES OR STUDY GROUPS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BUILD ON..

OH AND BRIMSTONE.. THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN MIX ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY AND JUSTIFY THAT AS RIGHT.. THE LESSONS ON JESUS IN THE CIRCLE 7 KORAN IS BASED ON TRUTH ON THE LIGHT OF JESUS.. IF YOU READ THE LESSONS IT TOTALLY DISMISSES CHRISTIAN BELIEFS.. NOBLE DREW ALI STATED IN THE KORAN, "THESE SECRET LESSONS ARE FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO LOVE JESUS AND DESIRE TO KNOW ABOUT HIS LIFE WORKS AND TEACHINGS." NOBLE DREW ALI WASN'T TRYNA TEACH CHRISTIANITY PER SE, BUT HE RATHER WAS AIMING TO GRASP THE ATTENTION OF THE BLACK CHRISTIANS TO READ TRUTH ON THE LIFE OF JESUS BEING THAT CHRISTIANITY WAS THE DOMINANT RELIGION OF THE UNCONSCIOUS ASIATICS AND JESUS WAS THEIR "SAVIOR"..

OH MY BAD MOE.I DIDNT MEAN HE COMBINED ISLAM WITH CHRISTIANITY.ITS JUST WHEN HE TESTIFIED ABOUT JESUS IT MADE ALOT OF BLACK CHRISTIANS GET ON THE SQUARE.

[WESTSIDE 5TXNEBL5XD NATION]

DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT THE MOES STILL HAVE A ROLE IN THE JIHAD MOVEMENT? NOT A VIOLENT JIHAD

[YaRDie_HBo]

IDK WHERE BUGSY GETTIN HIS RESEARCH FROM.. BUT ANYWAY I THINK THE BROTHER DOESN'T HAVE MUCH UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ARAB MOROCCO AND MOORISH MOROCCO... TO BE HONEST HIS ARGUEMENTS SEEM LIKE SOME WIKIPEDIA INFO.. BUT ALL IS TRUELY WELL.. IDK HOW TO GET THE BROTHER TO SEE ITS DEEPER THAN MODERN DAY MOROCCO..

AND TO BRIMSTONE I DRAW FROM WHAT YOU MEAN.. ALL IS WELL MOE..

[ZuluMC7]

IDK HOW TO GET THE BROTHER TO SEE ITS DEEPER THAN MODERN DAY MOROCCO..

Many will be called, few will be chosen, Sister.

[buGsy]

IDK WHERE BUGSY GETTIN HIS RESEARCH FROM.. BUT ANYWAY I THINK THE BROTHER DOESN'T HAVE MUCH UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ARAB MOROCCO AND MOORISH MOROCCO... TO BE HONEST HIS ARGUEMENTS SEEM LIKE SOME WIKIPEDIA INFO.. BUT ALL IS TRUELY WELL.. IDK HOW TO GET THE BROTHER TO SEE ITS DEEPER THAN MODERN DAY MOROCCO..

This has absolutely nothing to do with present-day Morocco, sister. The issue at hand is the separation between Monotheism and Polytheism, mixed with paganism and mythology... The system of Islamism is based on thought and reason. To view yourself as a "god" or "goddess" is thoughtless and unreasonable. It's as simple as that. A "god" is a deity beyond human/normal capabilities, worthy of worship or service. That's plain, and very verifiable - you don't need Wikipedia to know that. So, if you have some superhuman capabilities, then it could be reasonable to you to consider yourself a "goddess", but if you don't, then it's beyond reason. Your Moorish star is based on paganism, and that's verifiable as well. Drew Ali didn't know what the symbol represented, so he used it and adopted his own meanings to it, just like people have done throughout history with pagan, polytheistic symbols. This is nothing new... If you can't see the error, then you have blinded yourself with Moorish Science. There's no distinction between Arab Morocco and Moorish Morocco - all of them are called Moroccans, and according to Sharif Abdul Ali, they are all Moors...

Moorish Science was Ali's system of uplifting "fallen humanity", but he was limited. Blacks aren't the only oppressed group in the world, or even in America. Where is the Mexican prophet??? If you wish to view yourself as a "goddess", then there's no point to even continuing this - your ego has exceeded your abilities dramatically, unless you have some type of superhuman powers or abilities. A thinking person can see right through Drew Ali's teachings, and that's why his original system has been broken down so much, that it is literally beyond repair. Even his new-age MST followers don't believe in his system... But fine, I like your conviction behind what you believe in. So, tomorrow or so, I'll take a bunch of concepts from a bunch of different sects of different religions, write a book based on someone else's work (of course changing the words and descriptions from the original book to fit the decription of my people), add a couple mystical symbols, and VOILA - I'm a prophet sent to uplift the fallen Dominicanos...

[YaRDie_HBo]

YET EVERYTHING YOU STILL STATED WAS INACCURATE... SO I CAN'T BUILD IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING..

BUT YEA TO THE ZULU BROTHER THEM 2 STARS PROBABLY ARE RELATED TO THE HOLY PENTACLES.. THE FIVE POINT STAR IS THE KEY OF SOLOMON WHICH REPRESENTS THE KEY OF UNDERSTANDING OF MAN IN THE "MYSTERIES".. THAT'S WHY IN MOORISH SCIENCE THE 5POINT STAR REPRESENTS ALLAH IN MAN.. YOU AND I BOTH UNDERTSAND WHAT MAN HIMSELF IS CAPABLE OF AND ELEVATING TO.. THOSE IN THE DARK CALL IT "SUPERHUMAN POWERS".. LOL.. THAT DIAGRAM PROBABLY IS RELATED TO THE SECOND PENTACLE OF VENUS WHICH OBTAINS GRACE AND HONOR.. THE NUMBER 5 ALWAYS REPRESENTS JUSTICE THIS THOUGH.. JUST AS THE SCIMITAR DOES.. THE SCIMITAR WAS ALSO NECESSARY FOR PLAYING A PART IN DEALING WITH THE "MYSTERIES" IN SOLOMONS TEMPLE.. THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MAN BEING AT FREE WILL WOULDN'T COMPREHEND WHAT THEY'RE MOST CAPABLE OF DOING.. THEY LIMIT THEMSELVES..

[I5lamicmoe5]

IDK WHERE BUGSY GETTIN HIS RESEARCH FROM.. BUT ANYWAY I THINK THE BROTHER DOESN'T HAVE MUCH UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ARAB MOROCCO AND MOORISH MOROCCO... TO BE HONEST HIS ARGUEMENTS SEEM LIKE SOME WIKIPEDIA INFO.. BUT ALL IS TRUELY WELL.. IDK HOW TO GET THE BROTHER TO SEE ITS DEEPER THAN MODERN DAY MOROCCO..

This has absolutely nothing to do with present-day Morocco, sister. The issue at hand is the separation between Monotheism and Polytheism, mixed with paganism and mythology... The system of Islamism is based on thought and reason. To view yourself as a "god" or "goddess" is thoughtless and unreasonable. It's as simple as that. A "god" is a deity beyond human/normal capabilities, worthy of worship or service. That's plain, and very verifiable - you don't need Wikipedia to know that. So, if you have some superhuman capabilities, then it could be reasonable to you to consider yourself a "goddess", but if you don't, then it's beyond reason. Your Moorish star is based on paganism, and that's verifiable as well. Drew Ali didn't know what the symbol represented, so he used it and adopted his own meanings to it, just like people have done throughout history with pagan, polytheistic symbols. This is nothing new... If you can't see the error, then you have blinded yourself with Moorish Science. There's no distinction between Arab Morocco and Moorish Morocco - all of them are called Moroccans, and according to Sharif Abdul Ali, they are all Moors...

Moorish Science was Ali's system of uplifting "fallen humanity", but he was limited. Blacks aren't the only oppressed group in the world, or even in America. Where is the Mexican prophet??? If you wish to view yourself as a "goddess", then there's no point to even continuing this - your ego has exceeded your abilities dramatically, unless you have some type of superhuman powers or abilities. A thinking person can see right through Drew Ali's teachings, and that's why his original system has been broken down so much, that it is literally beyond repair. Even his new-age MST followers don't believe in his system... But fine, I like your conviction behind what you believe in. So, tomorrow or so, I'll take a bunch of concepts from a bunch of different sects of different religions, write a book based on someone else's work (of course changing the words and descriptions from the original book to fit the decription of my people), add a couple mystical symbols, and VOILA - I'm a prophet sent to uplift the fallen Dominicanos...

COSIGN BROTHA ASALAMU ALAYKUM

[YaRDie_HBo]

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[Samir_RED_Stone]

NOBLE DREW ALI REASONS FOR STARTING MSTA WERE TO UPLIFT FALLEN HUMANTY BUT AS FAR AS ISLAM IS CONCERNED HE IS CONSIDERED BY SUNNI MUSLIMS TO BE A FALSE PROPHET.BUT AT THE SAMETIME THE HONORABLE PROPHET MUHAMMED IS ALSO CONSIDERED BY CHRISTIANS AND JEWS AS FALSE PROPHET.SO BASICALLY WHAT IM SAYIN WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND ARGUE ABOUT WHO IS FALSE OR NOT WHEN THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DONT REALLY KNOW HOW ALLAH(GOD) DEMONSTRATES THROUGH HUMANS OR WHO HE CHOSES TO TEACH HIS MESSAGE BECAUSE HE WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS UNKNOWN TO MANKIND.

who gives a fuck what a christian or a jew thinks...mohhamed is allah's last prophet wether they want to admit it or not, and any self proclaimed muslim knows that and there is nothing to question about it point blank........the koran is the most official truth created, it specifically says he's the seal of prophets, what more evidence do you need..

[buGsy]

COSIGN BROTHA ASALAMU ALAYKUM

Indeed, brother. Wa'alaikum Assalaam...

[WESTSIDE 5TXNEBL5XD NATION]

NOBLE DREW ALI REASONS FOR STARTING MSTA WERE TO UPLIFT FALLEN HUMANTY BUT AS FAR AS ISLAM IS CONCERNED HE IS CONSIDERED BY SUNNI MUSLIMS TO BE A FALSE PROPHET.BUT AT THE SAMETIME THE HONORABLE PROPHET MUHAMMED IS ALSO CONSIDERED BY CHRISTIANS AND JEWS AS FALSE PROPHET.SO BASICALLY WHAT IM SAYIN WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND ARGUE ABOUT WHO IS FALSE OR NOT WHEN THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DONT REALLY KNOW HOW ALLAH(GOD) DEMONSTRATES THROUGH HUMANS OR WHO HE CHOSES TO TEACH HIS MESSAGE BECAUSE HE WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS UNKNOWN TO MANKIND.

who gives a f*ck what a christian or a jew thinks...mohhamed is allah's last prophet wether they want to admit it or not, and any self proclaimed muslim knows that and there is nothing to question about it point blank........the koran is the most official truth created, it specifically says he's the seal of prophets, what more evidence do you need..

MOE I KNOW HE WAS A TRUE PROPHET BUT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO BUGSY THAT YOU HAVE TO FULL EXAMINE A MAN BEFORE YOU CAN HIM A FALSE PROPHET.

[dagrownman]

ALL WELL TO ALL THA TRUE BROTHERS STANDIN ON LTPJF KEY 2-0 AND IS IN LAW...YALL MAFUCKAS IS CRAZY 100% CRAZY ASS FUCK...HAVE YALL MAFUCKAS BEEN STUDYIN???GOIN TO HOLY DAYS AND DOIN NATION BUSINESS???I CAN TELL HALF YALL FAKE ASS FUCK...YALL DENY THE HOLY PROPHET NOBLE DREW ALI????WOW STUPID MAFUCKAS THATS WHAT THA FOUNDATION WAS BASED ON...DO YOU RELIZE WHERE "LTPJF" CAME FROM???WHAT ABOUT THE "101 KEYS"???WHAT ABOUT THA "ROYAL BENAZON OF UNITY"????ALL THAT SCRIPTURE COMES FROM MOORISH SCIENCE SO BEFORE YALL STONES BEFORE YALL SNAKES GO ANY FURTHER ON THIS TOPIC YALL NEED TO CHECK INTO YALL SELF...CAUSE YALL LOOKIN REALLY FUCKIN GOOFY...SO EVEN IF ALL THA SCIENCE IS MYTH YALL CHIEF MY CHIEF BELIEVED IN IT AND THATS WHAT WE STAND ON..WE STAND ON IT CAUSE WE SEE THA UNSEEN WIT OUR THIRD EYE OPEN...ON CHIEF MICKEY HAVE YALL SHOULD BE BLASTED IN THA MOUTH ON SIGHT...AND WHAT THA FUCK???BLOODS AINT GAT NO BUSINESS COMMENTIN PERIOD....YALL AINT EVEN ON COUNT...YALL AINT IN THA BOOK OF LIFE....HOW YALL STONES HOW YALL SNAKES AND YALL AINT GAT NO CARD NO FEZ???REAL TALK WE ALMIGHTY PEOPLES WE STUDY SELF.....WE STUDY THA SCIENCE SO I MEAN SHIT MAFUCKAS CAN JAP AND GET SHITTY BUT FUCK IT...BUGSY IS A GANGSTER HOWEVER HIS GOV DOES WHAT HE DOES IT WHAT IT IS...THATS NOT NATION BUSINESS...ITS NOT OUR NATION BUSINESS BUT YALL IS JUST RECKLESS ON HERE...TALKIN ABOUT YALL STONES TALKIN ABOUT YALL MOES AND YALL AINT STANDIN ON HISTORY...GET YALL SHIT IN ORDER CAUSE WHEN FATHER GOD ALLAH BRINGS THA FIRE...WHOS GONNA BE YALL WATER????REAL BROTHERS GET AT ME....THA LAST SNAKE ON COUNT THAT COUNTS...SNAKEBITE TOO TIGHT MCN TO THA WORLD ENDS SCCHS SCCHS...KEY 2-0...IMA COLD BLOODED COLD BROTHER TALIBAN MICKEY COBRAS....CHIEF MICKEY CRAZY CAUSE EMPEROR THEE RAISE ME...STAND ON MY SQUARE RIGHT OVER LEFT FACIN EAST!!!!!!!!!

[Mr Chicago]

COSIGN BROTHA ASALAMU ALAYKUM

Indeed, brother. Wa'alaikum Assalaam...

Its wa'laikum SAALAM jack ass where you get the Assalam. WTF is ASSALAAM!

[ZuluMC7]

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[Kidd_Moe]

wat about the nation of gods and earths (5 percenters) they are classified as muslims and follow under Allah

[Samir_RED_Stone]

NOBLE DREW ALI REASONS FOR STARTING MSTA WERE TO UPLIFT FALLEN HUMANTY BUT AS FAR AS ISLAM IS CONCERNED HE IS CONSIDERED BY SUNNI MUSLIMS TO BE A FALSE PROPHET.BUT AT THE SAMETIME THE HONORABLE PROPHET MUHAMMED IS ALSO CONSIDERED BY CHRISTIANS AND JEWS AS FALSE PROPHET.SO BASICALLY WHAT IM SAYIN WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY AND ARGUE ABOUT WHO IS FALSE OR NOT WHEN THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DONT REALLY KNOW HOW ALLAH(GOD) DEMONSTRATES THROUGH HUMANS OR WHO HE CHOSES TO TEACH HIS MESSAGE BECAUSE HE WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS UNKNOWN TO MANKIND.

who gives a f*ck what a christian or a jew thinks...mohhamed is allah's last prophet wether they want to admit it or not, and any self proclaimed muslim knows that and there is nothing to question about it point blank........the koran is the most official truth created, it specifically says he's the seal of prophets, what more evidence do you need..

MOE I KNOW HE WAS A TRUE PROPHET BUT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO BUGSY THAT YOU HAVE TO FULL EXAMINE A MAN BEFORE YOU CAN HIM A FALSE PROPHET.

i understand what your saying..but to examine the koran will show you that any man calling himself a prophet after the time of mohhomad is not a truely divine prophet..thiers no other way to read it..one thing about the koran is it is very literal about certain things, unlike the bible which is in methphors and parables..

[Samir_RED_Stone]

ALL WELL TO ALL THA TRUE BROTHERS STANDIN ON LTPJF KEY 2-0 AND IS IN LAW...YALL MAFUCKAS IS CRAZY 100% CRAZY @$$ f*ck...HAVE YALL MAFUCKAS BEEN STUDYIN???GOIN TO HOLY DAYS AND DOIN NATION BUSINESS???I CAN TELL HALF YALL FAKE @$$ f*ck...YALL DENY THE HOLY PROPHET NOBLE DREW ALI????WOW STUPID MAFUCKAS THATS WHAT THA FOUNDATION WAS BASED ON...DO YOU RELIZE WHERE "LTPJF" CAME FROM???WHAT ABOUT THE "101 KEYS"???WHAT ABOUT THA "ROYAL BENAZON OF UNITY"????ALL THAT SCRIPTURE COMES FROM MOORISH SCIENCE SO BEFORE YALL STONES BEFORE YALL SNAKES GO ANY FURTHER ON THIS TOPIC YALL NEED TO CHECK INTO YALL SELF...CAUSE YALL LOOKIN REALLY FUCKIN GOOFY...SO EVEN IF ALL THA SCIENCE IS MYTH YALL CHIEF MY CHIEF BELIEVED IN IT AND THATS WHAT WE STAND ON..WE STAND ON IT CAUSE WE SEE THA UNSEEN WIT OUR THIRD EYE OPEN...ON CHIEF MICKEY HAVE YALL SHOULD BE BLASTED IN THA MOUTH ON SIGHT...AND WHAT THA f*ck???BLOODS AINT GAT NO BUSINESS COMMENTIN PERIOD....YALL AINT EVEN ON COUNT...YALL AINT IN THA BOOK OF LIFE....HOW YALL STONES HOW YALL SNAKES AND YALL AINT GAT NO CARD NO FEZ???REAL TALK WE ALMIGHTY PEOPLES WE STUDY SELF.....WE STUDY THA SCIENCE SO I MEAN sh*t MAFUCKAS CAN JAP AND GET SHITTY BUT f*ck IT...BUGSY IS A GANGSTER HOWEVER HIS GOV DOES WHAT HE DOES IT WHAT IT IS...THATS NOT NATION BUSINESS...ITS NOT OUR NATION BUSINESS BUT YALL IS JUST RECKLESS ON HERE...TALKIN ABOUT YALL STONES TALKIN ABOUT YALL MOES AND YALL AINT STANDIN ON HISTORY...GET YALL sh*t IN ORDER CAUSE WHEN FATHER GOD ALLAH BRINGS THA FIRE...WHOS GONNA BE YALL WATER????REAL BROTHERS GET AT ME....THA LAST SNAKE ON COUNT THAT COUNTS...SNAKEBITE TOO TIGHT MCN TO THA WORLD ENDS SCCHS SCCHS...KEY 2-0...IMA COLD BLOODED COLD BROTHER TALIBAN MICKEY COBRAS....CHIEF MICKEY CRAZY CAUSE EMPEROR THEE RAISE ME...STAND ON MY SQUARE RIGHT OVER LEFT FACIN EAST!!!!!!!!!

but even the chief himself is sunni...hell it took malcolm x to go to hajj before he realized he was teaching the wrong demo..than he came home to islam....and i have a nationlity card, i believe in many aspects of moorish science...and like bugsy said, drew ali taught togetherness, and to get rid of the religion of the opressors..and i respect him for that..but when it boils down to the nitty gritty, i as a muslim refuse to go against the teachings of the holy koran of mecca, or the hadeeth of mohhamed..its just not correct...moorish science was mos def a great demo to bring people into pure islam..but to call him a divine prophet is blasphemous....

[Samir_RED_Stone]

wat about the nation of gods and earths (5 percenters) they are classified as muslims and follow under Allah

no those are'nt muslims..they may rock kufi's and use islamic terms but they far from muslims.....

[dagrownman]

my guy you are truly lost...yeah we all know cm is a sunni but you ever check into why hes a sunni???cause he was a moor wit his cars and fez he was a gs in tha temple but he wanted his own temple to do his own shit and the grand body told him fuck naw and he said fuck that and did his own thang and karma blasted him in his mouth....fuckin wit arabs thinkin he a arab just cause he prays east and they slapped him wit 80 years wow huh????if he would have just stayed faithful to the temple he wouldnt be campin out in tha can right now....ok i see it like this..moorish science is for us by us...a way to salvation and outta the darkness for us...it gives a right to have rights...when people ask you what you are what you gonna say black????africans dont even consider them selves black...we are humans we are people and we have a culture we have a history we have a cause a creed to stand on it so if you aint wit it then yall just need to push on and go be arabs simply put.....moorish science is divine salvation for fallen humanity..read how tha hebrews gat enslaved...because they forsake their fathers creed and become lost...and thats what happened to us...we started bein christians and "muslims" and worship a god we not of...and the true god the only god father god allah allowed us to be fucked up so we can have a reason to come back to islamism and be good "moslems" like we supposed to be....yall stones and snakes gat tha wrong impression....tha foundation was built for a reason and its only for a chosen few....you dont go painters school to become a lawyer...ltpjf key 2-0 to only tha true brothers peace

[YaRDie_HBo]

^^^ CO-SIGN

[dagrownman]

its just tha truth sister...anybody on here tryna check into me knows was good i aint on bullshit...real talk me and bugs went back and forth for a while and now he kinda understands what im on...peace key 2-0...add me on your myspace...go to email.....dagrownman@gmail.com

[buGsy]

Its wa'laikum SAALAM jack @$$ where you get the Assalam. WTF is ASSALAAM!

I hope your joking, dude.

The word "SALAM", in the Arabic language, has the root emphasis on the SECOND SYLLABLE - hence, the pronounciation "SALAAM", not "saalam"... Read a book, dumb @ss...

but to examine the koran will show you that any man calling himself a prophet after the time of mohhomad is not a truely divine prophet..thiers no other way to read it..one thing about the koran is it is very literal about certain things, unlike the bible which is in methphors and parables..

Cosign. If you believe in a prophet after Mohammed, delivering a new scripture to the people, then you don't believe in the Qur'an, which explicitly states that Mohammed is the last prophet... So, if you don't believe in Mohammed's message from God, who followed the system of Abraham in MONOTHEISM, then how are you a Muslim??? Don't be misled by Sharif Abdul Ali. His message wasn't even divine. How can he claim to be a prophet from God when he got his scripture from MEN, not God???

[YaRDie_HBo]

SINCE WHEN DID NOBLE DREW ALI HAVE "SCRIPTURES"??????

[buGsy]

:wtf: SINCE WHEN DID NOBLE DREW ALI HAVE "SCRIPTURES"??????

This is exactly my point - he DIDN'T have any scriptures, at least not his own... According to Al-Qur'an, all the prophets are sent the "scripture and wisdom" from God, and if Drew Ali was a prophet, he would've received them as well. He didn't receive them because he wasn't a prophet... If you believe in the message sent to Mohammed, then you can't believe in Drew Ali's message - it's just that simple. If you believe in Mohammed and his message from God, then you believe that Mohammed was the "seal of the prophets", and this leaves no room for any Noble Drew Ali...

[YaRDie_HBo]

HMMM.. SO IN ORDER TO BE A PROPHET FATHER GOD ALLAH HAS TO SEND DOWN "SCRIPTURES"??? OUT OF ALL THE PROPHETS BEFORE THAT WHO ELSE GOT SENT DOWN "SCRIPTURES"??

[buGsy]

HMMM.. SO IN ORDER TO BE A PROPHET FATHER GOD ALLAH HAS TO SEND DOWN "SCRIPTURES"??? OUT OF ALL THE PROPHETS BEFORE THAT WHO ELSE GOT SENT DOWN "SCRIPTURES"??

The Qur'an says that all the prophets were sent down divine scriptures. These prophets mentioned included Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias and Elisha, Jesus, Mohammed, and many others. All these men were all called prophets in the message, and the Qur'an speaks of all of them being sent down the "scripture and wisdom" from God...

[Mr Chicago]

HMMM.. SO IN ORDER TO BE A PROPHET FATHER GOD ALLAH HAS TO SEND DOWN "SCRIPTURES"??? OUT OF ALL THE PROPHETS BEFORE THAT WHO ELSE GOT SENT DOWN "SCRIPTURES"??

The Qur'an says that all the prophets were sent down divine scriptures. These prophets mentioned included Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias and Elisha, Jesus, Mohammed, and many others. All these men were all called prophets in the message, and the Qur'an speaks of all of them being sent down the "scripture and wisdom" from God...

Bug eyed bugs just shut the fuck up already. We SCIENTIST aint no way an infedel gonna disort the vision of those that are aware and conscience

[WESTSIDE 5TXNEBL5XD NATION]

[quote="dagrownman"]WHAT THA f*ck???BLOODS AINT GAT NO BUSINESS COMMENTIN PERIOD....YALL AINT EVEN ON COUNT...YALL AINT IN THA BOOK OF LIFEquote]
SO YOURE SAYING THAT BLOODS ARE HELLBOUND.ITS ALOT OF BLOODS WHOM ARE MUSLIM.
AND WHEN HAS THE MCs HONORED MST/ISLAM ?? FROM WHAT IVE HEARD IS THAT CHEIF MICK WAS DEADED BECAUSE HE BOLDLY REFUSED TO ACCEPT MST/ISLAM.

[buGsy]

Bug eyed bugs just shut the f*ck up already. We SCIENTIST aint no way an infedel gonna disort the vision of those that are aware and conscience

You sound like an idiot, joe, seriously. I'm not trying to distort any vision, I'm only relaying the truth. You're blind to the truth, though, because you're ignorant and blind, unable to see reality. If you wanna believe in Drew Ali, then do what you do - I really don't give a fu*kk. But regarding Sharif Abdul Ali as a prophet is clearly abandoning the teachings of islam/submission taught by Mohammed, since the Arabic Qur'an says that Mohammed is the "seal of the prophets". Yet, you say you follow the same religion/system as Mohammed, right? Okay, dude, keep reading your English "Koran" (which isn't even an English word) and believing in your black prophet (who wasn't even black), calling yourself a "god", even though you have no power above any other man, greeting eachother with "islam" as a meaning for "peace" (even though the words mean completely different things), basing your system on pagan symbols and rituals built by the same pagan Sufis who were denounced by Mohammed... Whatever, joe - believe what you wanna believe. But based on logic and common sense, you're definately sent off...

[TREYZ_FA_DAYZ]

WHAT THA f*ck???BLOODS AINT GAT NO BUSINESS COMMENTIN PERIOD....YALL AINT EVEN ON COUNT...YALL AINT IN THA BOOK OF LIFEquote]
SO YOURE SAYING THAT BLOODS ARE HELLBOUND.ITS ALOT OF BLOODS WHOM ARE MUSLIM.
AND WHEN HAS THE MCs HONORED MST/ISLAM ?? FROM WHAT IVE HEARD IS THAT CHEIF MICK WAS DEADED BECAUSE HE BOLDLY REFUSED TO ACCEPT MST/ISLAM.

you talking about l.a bloods or bloods in general?..

[YaRDie_HBo]

LMAOO@ BLACK PROPHET... THIS TOPIC TURNED KIND OF COMICAL.. BUGSY REALLY TRYNA GOIN IN ON THE SCIENCE.. LET THE MOES READ OUR ENGLISH KORAN, CONTINUE THE PAGAN RITUALS, AND CONTINUE TO GREET ONE ANOTHER BY SAYING "ISLAM"... THE SCIENCE IS OLDER THAN ALL OF US AND ITS GONNA CONTINUE TO LIVE ON NO MATTER WHAT ONE TWISTED UP PERCEPTION HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.. 95 YEARS AGO NOBLE DREW ALI BROUGHT FALLEN ASIATICS OUT OF THE DARKNESS, AND STILL THE LIGHT IS SHINING BRIGHT.. WE AINT GOING NOWHERE, POINT BLANK, PERIOD..

[buGsy]

THE SCIENCE IS OLDER THAN ALL OF US AND ITS GONNA CONTINUE TO LIVE ON NO MATTER WHAT ONE TWISTED UP PERCEPTION HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.. 95 YEARS AGO NOBLE DREW ALI BROUGHT FALLEN ASIATICS OUT OF THE DARKNESS, AND STILL THE LIGHT IS SHINING BRIGHT.. WE AINT GOING NOWHERE, POINT BLANK, PERIOD..

You're misinterpreting me - I'm not saying to stop learning about yourself, and I'm not encouraging anybody to abandon the teachings of Moorish Science. All I'm saying is learn the true history behind where your teachings came from, instead of just listening to the same MSTA salesmen who walk around saying, "Drew Ali brought this message 95 years ago..." The message was here long before Drew Ali, just in different forms, and back then, nobody gave a damn about the "fallen Asiatics" - the universal message was sent to humanity as a whole, not just one group. All I'm saying is learn the real history of where Drew Ali got his teachings, and then maybe you'll understand...

[Samir_RED_Stone]

HMMM.. SO IN ORDER TO BE A PROPHET FATHER GOD ALLAH HAS TO SEND DOWN "SCRIPTURES"??? OUT OF ALL THE PROPHETS BEFORE THAT WHO ELSE GOT SENT DOWN "SCRIPTURES"??

The Qur'an says that all the prophets were sent down divine scriptures. These prophets mentioned included Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias and Elisha, Jesus, Mohammed, and many others. All these men were all called prophets in the message, and the Qur'an speaks of all of them being sent down the "scripture and wisdom" from God...

Bug eyed bugs just shut the f*ck up already. We SCIENTIST aint no way an infedel gonna disort the vision of those that are aware and conscience

your the infidel you stupid motherfucker.....what type of motherfuckers claim to be muslim, and dont believe in the koran....that shit is so pass assbackwards...anyone who goes against the koran is going against allah..and the koran says in itself
you cant be a believer and doubt the scriptures.....

[dagrownman]

WHAT THA f*ck???BLOODS AINT GAT NO BUSINESS COMMENTIN PERIOD....YALL AINT EVEN ON COUNT...YALL AINT IN THA BOOK OF LIFEquote]
SO YOURE SAYING THAT BLOODS ARE HELLBOUND.ITS ALOT OF BLOODS WHOM ARE MUSLIM.
AND WHEN HAS THE MCs HONORED MST/ISLAM ?? FROM WHAT IVE HEARD IS THAT CHEIF MICK WAS DEADED BECAUSE HE BOLDLY REFUSED TO ACCEPT MST/ISLAM.

FIRST OFF THIS IS WHY BLOODS AINT ALLOWED IN THA CIRCLE CAUSE YALL BE ON SOME CLOWN SHIT...NO MAN CAN DENY YOUR SALVATION DUMB ASS AND YOU CANT EVER SPEAK ON MOTHERLAND BUSINESS AGAIN TO YOU GO TO A HOLY DAY JUMMAH SESSION FUNCTION PICNIC SOMETHANG CAUSE EVERYTHANG YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT SAYIN IS THA DUMBEST SHIT IN THA WORLD...STUPID THA BOOK OF LIFE IS THA MINUTES RETARD A BOOK OF NAMES WIT EVERYBODY THATS ON COUNTS OR EVERYBODY IN A CERTAIN MOB SO MAFUCKAS WILL KNOW OFF TOP IF YOU A BROTHER OR YOU SHOULD GET A MOUTH SHOT AND GUESS WHAT YOU JUST GAT???? AND SNAKES BEEN ON ISLAM OR PAN-AFRICAN DEMO SINCE HMM PROLLY FOREVER..FROM COBRAS TO EGYPTIAN COBRAS TO COBRASTONES TO MICKEY COBRAS...WE JUST FUCKIN WIT CM WHEN THA MSTA BOOTED AND WE WASNT ON THAT SUNNI ISLAM SHIT CAUSE WE NIGGAS DUH WHERR DID YOU GET YOUR HISTORY FROM?????LTPJF