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Post by HoodBeenUp » April 20th, 2012, 5:56 pm

Alot of New York and Chicagos history is documented in books, by gangsters, mobsters and the police departments when they were around......if you don't believe in all that evidence then why believe anything from the past at all. LA niggas cant handle they aint the bangin capitol it truly does hurt them.

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Post by ACE2 » April 20th, 2012, 6:06 pm

HoodBeenUp wrote:Alot of New York and Chicagos history is documented in books, by gangsters, mobsters and the police departments when they were around......if you don't believe in all that evidence then why believe anything from the past at all. LA niggas cant handle they aint the bangin capitol it truly does hurt them.

I can care less about that shit... you can be the "gang capital" all you fuckin want... :lol: If thats all you have to be proud of... I feel embarrassed for you my dude...

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Post by HoodBeenUp » April 20th, 2012, 8:13 pm

fuck the titles the facts are just the facts....

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Post by mayugastank » April 21st, 2012, 12:10 am

Man this BROTHA.........is talking about gang capitals being in NYC and CHITOWN. AS IF......black people were involved any of it! If somone is going to brag about Chicago and New York-starting gang banging let it be the Italians and Irish who got it started. AND REALLY let it be predominately the Italians who had brought the shit from Italy and gave America a street culture.

Niggas in NYC still dont have active gangs, theyve adopted West Coast 1960 black gangs who bit the style of 1900 Chicano Mexicans.

Modern banging is (1) Italian Mafia like in dress-flair (2) mexican in art and graffiti (3) black in music and slang and talk

Chicago gangs have Latinos out there as their oldest gangs as well.......with Latin Kings being the oldest still active gang in Chicago. Mexicans were their for the start of that gang as well/.

Gang history doesnt concern me as much as the inspiration to the world of fashion-music-culture. A unique street culture shared by Mexicans-Blacks REALLY.

Their is nothing latino......about the Puerto Ricans in NYC who braid their hair and wear gold grills while calling eachother son.

People with real racial pride would know better then to completely drop their culture and follow a fad! Like the Samoans and Cambodians and Vietnamese who call eachother blood blood blood......while getting inked up in Mexican fashion and dressing like a crossbred cholo/new yorker fake as hell .

STILL THOUGH ............oldest active longest lasting gang TODAY is DOGTOWN 13. All others have faded away with the times.......boozeys-gentlemans-sharks and rampers, Avenue U boys and 4 corner boys all gone. All just a memory..........Not DOGTOWN 13 and not about 25 other Chicano gangs who got started in 1900 and are active as fuck today right now this night at this second in Los Angelos.

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Post by Silencioso » September 2nd, 2013, 6:35 pm

[quote="mayugastank"]Started in 1890 and facing injunctions to this very day Dogtown 13 is Americas oldest longest living gang. 120 years of history in the same neighborhoods they began, [b]all modern gangs can trace their roots to the practices started by this gang.[/b]
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Exaggerate much?
Just because they're the oldest active gang doesn't mean they're the root of all modern gang culture. There have been countless gangs throughout US history. Many important gangs died out but their influence lives on. For example, what was the first gang to rep with a color? My guess it was some Irish gang in NY back in the 1800's. First gang to rep with an article of clothing with the gang name written on it? Probably some NY gang in the early 1900's. First gang to use white t-shirts as gang attire, probably some whiteboy greaser gang in the 1940's. First gang to use hand signs, probably some black gang back in Chicago. First gang to wear baggies as gang attire, probably some black gang in Harlem back in the 1930's. First gang to wear bandanas as gang attire, probably some biker gang back in the 1960's.

Dog Town didn't invent shit. There not the root of anything except themselves.

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Post by Realspit » September 2nd, 2013, 6:53 pm

Thank you Silencioso. I always tell mayugu that, he actin like some gang that started in the 1890's was tatted up OG's with uzis, lolos, grafitti, sportin ben davis, locs, and cortez or some shit. I've seen pics of them early mexican st gangs, they were like spanky and them, little bands of dirty st kids.

every culture has put in on this st shit, its just that the chi and LA's shit both black and latino are still here.

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Post by Silencioso » September 2nd, 2013, 6:55 pm

[quote="mayugastank"]Man this BROTHA.........is talking about gang capitals being in NYC and CHITOWN. AS IF......black people were involved any of it! If somone is going to brag about Chicago and New York-starting gang banging let it be the Italians and Irish who got it started. AND REALLY let it be predominately the Italians who had brought the shit from Italy and gave America a street culture.

STREET GANG CULTURE IN THE U.S. STARTED WITH IRISH NOT ITALIANS. THERE WERE BLACK GANGS IN NY AND PHILADELPHIA BEFORE THERE WERE ITALIANS GANGS.

Niggas in NYC still dont have active gangs, theyve adopted West Coast 1960 black gangs who bit the style of 1900 Chicano Mexicans.


Modern banging is (1) Italian Mafia like in dress-flair (2) mexican in art and graffiti (3) black in music and slang and talk

(1) DRESS FLAIR? WHAT MODERN DAY GANGBANGERS IN THE U.S. DRESS LIKE GUIDOS? EVEN ITALIAN STREET GANGS LIKE C-NOTES DRESS HIP-HOP GANGSTA THESE DAYS. (2) NOBODY USES L.A. STYLE GANG GRAFFITI EAST OF TEXAS OR NORTH OF OKLAHOMA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ATLANTA AREA MEXICAN GANGS. CHICAGO HAS ITS OWN GRAFFTI STYLE, IN SOME CITIES THEY JUST USE TAGGING STYLE LETTERS IN SOME PLACES THEY HAVE NO STYLE, THEY JUST USE PLAIN PRINT LETTERING.(3) AGREED.

Chicago gangs have Latinos out there as their oldest gangs as well.......with Latin Kings being the oldest still active gang in Chicago. Mexicans were their for the start of that gang as well/.

THE OLDEST ACTIVE GANGS IN CHICAGO ARE THE MICKEY COBRAS (BLACK), THE APACHE STONES (BLACK) AND THE GAYLORDS (WHITE). LATIN KINGS WERE STARTED BY PUERTO RICANS IN HUMBOLDT PARK IN THE 1960'S.

Gang history doesnt concern me as much as the inspiration to the world of fashion-music-culture. A unique street culture shared by Mexicans-Blacks REALLY.

Their is nothing latino......about the Puerto Ricans in NYC who braid their hair and wear gold grills while calling eachother son.

People with real racial pride would know better then to completely drop their culture and follow a fad! Like the Samoans and Cambodians and Vietnamese who call eachother blood blood blood......while getting inked up in Mexican fashion and dressing like a crossbred cholo/new yorker fake as hell .

STILL THOUGH ............oldest active longest lasting gang TODAY is DOGTOWN 13. All others have faded away with the times.......boozeys-gentlemans-sharks and rampers, Avenue U boys and 4 corner boys all gone. All just a memory..........Not DOGTOWN 13 and not about 25 other Chicano gangs who got started in 1900 and are active as fuck today right now this night at this second in Los Angelos.[/quote]

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Post by 619Loc » September 2nd, 2013, 8:44 pm

ACE2 wrote::rasta: you from the 1800s.... were yall niggas pullin drive bys on horses.... :lol:

Duh! Bandidos were the stick-up kids of their day. They were the original gun slingers.



As far as the oldest gang in Cali, I've been told EMF (El Monte Flores) has been around since 1856!



"El Monte Flores Gang", originally know as "las Manillas" (the Handcuffs) and later as the "Flores Gang", is named after Juan Flores (c. 1834 – February 14, 1857). Flores, a 19th-century California bandit, together with Pancho Daniel, led the gang throughout Southern California between 1856-1857. Although regarded by historians as a thief and outlaw, Flores was considered a folk hero among Mexican-Americans. Juan Flores was a dark-complexioned fellow of medium height, slim-build, and about twenty-two years old. Flores was first arrested in 1855 for horse stealing and imprisoned in San Quentin. However, he escaped in October 1856 as part of a breakout plan that seized a brig tied up at the prison wharf. The convicts used the brig to sail across the bay and escape. After the escape Flores joined forces with Pancho Daniel and another dozen or so ranch hands, and Angelinos. During the next two years, Flores, Daniel and the "Flores Gang" gained a following among the Mexican-American population in the San Luis Obispo and San Juan Capistrano areas. Seeing membership numbers growing to over fifty men the Flores Gang quickly became one of the largest gangs in the state, and terrorized the area for the next two years. Primarily stealing horses and cattle, the gang would also commit armed robbery, murder and conducted raids against other towns and homesteads in the area. Due in part to attention by newspapers, opposition to what became known as the "Flores Revolution" began to take form between public officials and law enforcement as well as upper-class Californians. In late-December 1856 or early-January 1857, Flores attempted to pursue and rob a wagon traveling from Los Angeles to San Juan Capistrano. Missing the wagon somewhere on the road, Flores instead led a group of outlaws on a raid against San Juan Capistrano, looting the shop of a local Russian-Polish merchant Michael Krazewski. The next day, Flores made another raid on the town in which German shopkeeper George Pflugardt was murdered. Flores had been after an informant who had previously testified against him for horse stealing years earlier and, when the man was able to escape before his arrival, they proceeded to loot the town and spent the night "in drunken revelry" until leaving sometime around 2:00 am. When authorities in Los Angeles were alerted of the incident, they dispatched Sheriff James R. Barton and a posse of six well-armed men and set out to apprehend Flores. Flores was visiting a female companion "Chola" Martina Burruel in the Burruel Adobe outside the town. Barton and his posse were on their way to apprehend Flores for George Pflugardt's murder when they were ambushed at Barranco de los Alisos and killed by Flores and members of his gang. The surviving members of Barton's posse who managed to escape the ambush and pursuit by the gang fled back to Los Angeles. Barton's death caused a backlash against outlaw violence in the region as members of Flores' gang were hunted down and captured by authorities with a Los Angeles posse that included 51 American merchants and Californio ranchers, Manuel Cota the Temecula leader of 43 Luiseño scouts, the Monte Rangers former Texas Rangers and members of the vigilante gang the "El Monte Boys" (EMPD) and posses from San Bernardino and San Diego. A large group of the gang were discovered by the Luiseño scouts in their hideout in the Sierra de Santiago. The Monte Rangers moving to cut off escapees, captured Flores and Pancho Daniel after a shootout, but they managed to free themselves and escape that night. Numbers ranging from fifty to seventy Mexican-Americans suspected of being connected to Flores were arrested, and between February 1857 and November 1858 eleven others suspected of being members of the Flores Gang were lynched, most by the El Monte Boys. According to historian John Boessenecker, only four of these eleven men were confirmed as members of the gang. After eleven days on the run Flores was brought in by a 120-man posse led by Andrés Pico. With "practically every man, woman and child present in the pueblo", an estimated 3,000 people attending, Flores was tried for murder and hanged on February 14, 1857 near the top of Fort Hill, presentally downtown Los Angeles. When his execution was carried out the noose was too short, which led to Flores dying from suffocation instead of a broken neck as intended.

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Re: AMERICAS OLDEST GANG

Post by MilkMan » September 2nd, 2013, 9:19 pm

619Loc wrote:
ACE2 wrote::rasta: you from the 1800s.... were yall niggas pullin drive bys on horses.... :lol:

Duh! Bandidos were the stick-up kids of their day. They were the original gun slingers.



As far as the oldest gang in Cali, I've been told EMF (El Monte Flores) has been around since 1856!



"El Monte Flores Gang", originally know as "las Manillas" (the Handcuffs) and later as the "Flores Gang", is named after Juan Flores (c. 1834 – February 14, 1857). Flores, a 19th-century California bandit, together with Pancho Daniel, led the gang throughout Southern California between 1856-1857. Although regarded by historians as a thief and outlaw, Flores was considered a folk hero among Mexican-Americans. Juan Flores was a dark-complexioned fellow of medium height, slim-build, and about twenty-two years old. Flores was first arrested in 1855 for horse stealing and imprisoned in San Quentin. However, he escaped in October 1856 as part of a breakout plan that seized a brig tied up at the prison wharf. The convicts used the brig to sail across the bay and escape. After the escape Flores joined forces with Pancho Daniel and another dozen or so ranch hands, and Angelinos. During the next two years, Flores, Daniel and the "Flores Gang" gained a following among the Mexican-American population in the San Luis Obispo and San Juan Capistrano areas. Seeing membership numbers growing to over fifty men the Flores Gang quickly became one of the largest gangs in the state, and terrorized the area for the next two years. Primarily stealing horses and cattle, the gang would also commit armed robbery, murder and conducted raids against other towns and homesteads in the area. Due in part to attention by newspapers, opposition to what became known as the "Flores Revolution" began to take form between public officials and law enforcement as well as upper-class Californians. In late-December 1856 or early-January 1857, Flores attempted to pursue and rob a wagon traveling from Los Angeles to San Juan Capistrano. Missing the wagon somewhere on the road, Flores instead led a group of outlaws on a raid against San Juan Capistrano, looting the shop of a local Russian-Polish merchant Michael Krazewski. The next day, Flores made another raid on the town in which German shopkeeper George Pflugardt was murdered. Flores had been after an informant who had previously testified against him for horse stealing years earlier and, when the man was able to escape before his arrival, they proceeded to loot the town and spent the night "in drunken revelry" until leaving sometime around 2:00 am. When authorities in Los Angeles were alerted of the incident, they dispatched Sheriff James R. Barton and a posse of six well-armed men and set out to apprehend Flores. Flores was visiting a female companion "Chola" Martina Burruel in the Burruel Adobe outside the town. Barton and his posse were on their way to apprehend Flores for George Pflugardt's murder when they were ambushed at Barranco de los Alisos and killed by Flores and members of his gang. The surviving members of Barton's posse who managed to escape the ambush and pursuit by the gang fled back to Los Angeles. Barton's death caused a backlash against outlaw violence in the region as members of Flores' gang were hunted down and captured by authorities with a Los Angeles posse that included 51 American merchants and Californio ranchers, Manuel Cota the Temecula leader of 43 Luiseño scouts, the Monte Rangers former Texas Rangers and members of the vigilante gang the "El Monte Boys" (EMPD) and posses from San Bernardino and San Diego. A large group of the gang were discovered by the Luiseño scouts in their hideout in the Sierra de Santiago. The Monte Rangers moving to cut off escapees, captured Flores and Pancho Daniel after a shootout, but they managed to free themselves and escape that night. Numbers ranging from fifty to seventy Mexican-Americans suspected of being connected to Flores were arrested, and between February 1857 and November 1858 eleven others suspected of being members of the Flores Gang were lynched, most by the El Monte Boys. According to historian John Boessenecker, only four of these eleven men were confirmed as members of the gang. After eleven days on the run Flores was brought in by a 120-man posse led by Andrés Pico. With "practically every man, woman and child present in the pueblo", an estimated 3,000 people attending, Flores was tried for murder and hanged on February 14, 1857 near the top of Fort Hill, presentally downtown Los Angeles. When his execution was carried out the noose was too short, which led to Flores dying from suffocation instead of a broken neck as intended.
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Post by hoodpeace2013 » September 3rd, 2013, 3:16 pm

mayugastank wrote:Started in 1890 and facing injunctions to this very day Dogtown 13 is Americas oldest longest living gang. 120 years of history in the same neighborhoods they began, all modern gangs can trace their roots to the practices started by this gang.

This gang is compromised of Mexican Americans and MOST of what is modern gang history and modern gang culture can be traced directly to this gang in the Eastern part of Los Angelos.

From the style of writing gang graffiti to the "jump in" to the hand signals to the modern form of tattooing that Mexicans started all can trace their roots back to this historic gang.

This gang outlives every gang by an excess of 20+ years in most cases. Their is not a gang in America white-black-asian that can even come close to the history of this gang.

Everything Americans consider gang culture begun with this group of Mexican American teenagers. Every gang nationwide has soemthing that they got from Dogtown 13.

To this day they have a strong presence in the William Mead Housing projects and they can trace their roots back to the early 1890s, where they got their name from the local dog pound.

Most of what is considered gang life begun with this mixed group of Irish and Mexican teens. The whites moved on into mainstream society while the Mexican kids held this gang into the 20th century.

From Coast to Coast there isnt any gang that has lasted as long or even close to this gang. The most comparable would be the outlying East Los Angelos Mexican gangs such as White Fence-Hazard-Avenues-Clover-Maravillas-Gaherty-all who started in and around the very neighborhoods this gang had been in for 30 years by the time they all got their start in the 1920s.

Mainly wrongly believe gang culture began with the zootsuit but this gang had existed 60+ years before teh zootsuit was ever worn.

There is not a gang today who doesnt hold something this gang created, the writing style of the crips and bloods for example and the clothing styles of the vast majority of Americas youth.

For those who are interested in gang history and who started what first.........this gang is Americas oldest and the founder of ALL MODERN gang culture for all RACES.

http://gangstory.tripod.com/id5.html gangs from 1800's
none of them are as active as dogtown? :facepalm:

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Post by MAYUGA RISEN » September 3rd, 2013, 3:20 pm

hoodpeace2013 wrote:
mayugastank wrote:Started in 1890 and facing injunctions to this very day Dogtown 13 is Americas oldest longest living gang. 120 years of history in the same neighborhoods they began, all modern gangs can trace their roots to the practices started by this gang.

This gang is compromised of Mexican Americans and MOST of what is modern gang history and modern gang culture can be traced directly to this gang in the Eastern part of Los Angelos.

From the style of writing gang graffiti to the "jump in" to the hand signals to the modern form of tattooing that Mexicans started all can trace their roots back to this historic gang.

This gang outlives every gang by an excess of 20+ years in most cases. Their is not a gang in America white-black-asian that can even come close to the history of this gang.

Everything Americans consider gang culture begun with this group of Mexican American teenagers. Every gang nationwide has soemthing that they got from Dogtown 13.

To this day they have a strong presence in the William Mead Housing projects and they can trace their roots back to the early 1890s, where they got their name from the local dog pound.

Most of what is considered gang life begun with this mixed group of Irish and Mexican teens. The whites moved on into mainstream society while the Mexican kids held this gang into the 20th century.

From Coast to Coast there isnt any gang that has lasted as long or even close to this gang. The most comparable would be the outlying East Los Angelos Mexican gangs such as White Fence-Hazard-Avenues-Clover-Maravillas-Gaherty-all who started in and around the very neighborhoods this gang had been in for 30 years by the time they all got their start in the 1920s.

Mainly wrongly believe gang culture began with the zootsuit but this gang had existed 60+ years before teh zootsuit was ever worn.

There is not a gang today who doesnt hold something this gang created, the writing style of the crips and bloods for example and the clothing styles of the vast majority of Americas youth.

For those who are interested in gang history and who started what first.........this gang is Americas oldest and the founder of ALL MODERN gang culture for all RACES.

http://gangstory.tripod.com/id5.html gangs from 1800's
none of them are as active as dogtown? :facepalm:



THE OLDEST MODERN STILL HERE GANG . This gang didnt disappear. This gang is right now where they were in 1890. Same streets. Go cruise the dogtown area and youll see for yourself. Face it we invent your people duplicate.

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Post by face-off513 » March 7th, 2015, 7:16 pm

mayugastank wrote:Also -the founders of the crips and probably the first crip gang EASTSIDE CRIPS begun in the area where DOGTOWN and EASTSIDE CLOVERS are located. The original crips were known as Dogtown Crips and more then likely took their style of dress and graffiti and inkwork and lifestyle from this gang.

If we are looking for a start to modern gang culture , this is the gang who started it all. The tattooing-the dress-lowriding-the gang signaling, the stuff no New York gang had ever done.

The beginings of modern American gang culture is right here.
I always thought it was BAC(Baby Avenue Crip) :ohhh: but I guess its dogtown crip so thats what it is with me now

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Post by face-off513 » March 7th, 2015, 8:10 pm

Dog Town Crip that is

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Post by MAYUGASTINKBISH » November 30th, 2015, 5:08 am

mayugastank wrote:Started in 1890 and facing injunctions to this very day Dogtown 13 is Americas oldest longest living gang. 120 years of history in the same neighborhoods they began, all modern gangs can trace their roots to the practices started by this gang.

This gang is compromised of Mexican Americans and MOST of what is modern gang history and modern gang culture can be traced directly to this gang in the Eastern part of Los Angelos.

From the style of writing gang graffiti to the "jump in" to the hand signals to the modern form of tattooing that Mexicans started all can trace their roots back to this historic gang.

This gang outlives every gang by an excess of 20+ years in most cases. Their is not a gang in America white-black-asian that can even come close to the history of this gang.

Everything Americans consider gang culture begun with this group of Mexican American teenagers. Every gang nationwide has soemthing that they got from Dogtown 13.

To this day they have a strong presence in the William Mead Housing projects and they can trace their roots back to the early 1890s, where they got their name from the local dog pound.

Most of what is considered gang life begun with this mixed group of Irish and Mexican teens. The whites moved on into mainstream society while the Mexican kids held this gang into the 20th century.

From Coast to Coast there isnt any gang that has lasted as long or even close to this gang. The most comparable would be the outlying East Los Angelos Mexican gangs such as White Fence-Hazard-Avenues-Clover-Maravillas-Gaherty-all who started in and around the very neighborhoods this gang had been in for 30 years by the time they all got their start in the 1920s.

Mainly wrongly believe gang culture began with the zootsuit but this gang had existed 60+ years before teh zootsuit was ever worn.

There is not a gang today who doesnt hold something this gang created, the writing style of the crips and bloods for example and the clothing styles of the vast majority of Americas youth.

For those who are interested in gang history and who started what first.........this gang is Americas oldest and the founder of ALL MODERN gang culture for all RACES.

Made in America? Crips/Slobz?

Nah nigga you was made in Mexico! We create you duplicate

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Post by DatNiggaSpitz » November 30th, 2015, 8:19 am

stop bitin white folk

:whaat:

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Post by MAYUGASTINKBISH » December 4th, 2015, 4:17 am

deuceHdeuce wrote:stop bitin white folk

:whaat:

When you do! Jazz, Motown, Southern Cooking?

Shoot even more basic....Your names, your clothes ( hip hop? Niggas didnt wear pants in Africa!)the instruments you make music on, recording sound, the way sound is delivered.

Works for mine but dont work for yours? :ohhh:

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Post by DatNiggaSpitz » December 4th, 2015, 9:58 am

MAYUGASTINKBISH wrote:
deuceHdeuce wrote:stop bitin white folk

:whaat:

When you do! Jazz, Motown, Southern Cooking?

Shoot even more basic....Your names, your clothes ( hip hop? Niggas didnt wear pants in Africa!)the instruments you make music on, recording sound, the way sound is delivered.

Works for mine but dont work for yours? :ohhh:
jack the spanish

jack the anglo

jack the negro

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Post by Lil.One » December 5th, 2015, 12:14 am

Jack. in. the. box. lol.

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Post by Forty » December 5th, 2015, 1:22 am

mayugastank wrote:Also -the founders of the crips and probably the first crip gang EASTSIDE CRIPS begun in the area where DOGTOWN and EASTSIDE CLOVERS are located. The original crips were known as Dogtown Crips and more then likely took their style of dress and graffiti and inkwork and lifestyle from this gang.

If we are looking for a start to modern gang culture , this is the gang who started it all. The tattooing-the dress-lowriding-the gang signaling, the stuff no New York gang had ever done.

The beginings of modern American gang culture is right here.
dumbass.

ws/es for blacks is different from es/ws for eses.

dogtown/clovers EAST SIDE is not the same place as EAST SIDE for crips.

east side crips was in es south central.

always talking out of your ass.

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Post by Forty » December 5th, 2015, 1:50 am

and btw, dweeb.

the movie LORDS OF DOGTOWN is about "dogtown area" in west los angeles beach cities were there was a lot of skaters and surfers.

not dogtown rifa in chinatown/central los angeles.

if those skaters copied the cholo look. they got it from venice 13, santa monica 13, sotel 13, culver city 13 on the west side.

not dogtown rifa 45 minutes away in some projects in chinatown.

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