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Post by mayugastank » April 15th, 2012, 11:31 pm

Started in 1890 and facing injunctions to this very day Dogtown 13 is Americas oldest longest living gang. 120 years of history in the same neighborhoods they began, all modern gangs can trace their roots to the practices started by this gang.

This gang is compromised of Mexican Americans and MOST of what is modern gang history and modern gang culture can be traced directly to this gang in the Eastern part of Los Angelos.

From the style of writing gang graffiti to the "jump in" to the hand signals to the modern form of tattooing that Mexicans started all can trace their roots back to this historic gang.

This gang outlives every gang by an excess of 20+ years in most cases. Their is not a gang in America white-black-asian that can even come close to the history of this gang.

Everything Americans consider gang culture begun with this group of Mexican American teenagers. Every gang nationwide has soemthing that they got from Dogtown 13.

To this day they have a strong presence in the William Mead Housing projects and they can trace their roots back to the early 1890s, where they got their name from the local dog pound.

Most of what is considered gang life begun with this mixed group of Irish and Mexican teens. The whites moved on into mainstream society while the Mexican kids held this gang into the 20th century.

From Coast to Coast there isnt any gang that has lasted as long or even close to this gang. The most comparable would be the outlying East Los Angelos Mexican gangs such as White Fence-Hazard-Avenues-Clover-Maravillas-Gaherty-all who started in and around the very neighborhoods this gang had been in for 30 years by the time they all got their start in the 1920s.

Mainly wrongly believe gang culture began with the zootsuit but this gang had existed 60+ years before teh zootsuit was ever worn.

There is not a gang today who doesnt hold something this gang created, the writing style of the crips and bloods for example and the clothing styles of the vast majority of Americas youth.

For those who are interested in gang history and who started what first.........this gang is Americas oldest and the founder of ALL MODERN gang culture for all RACES.

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Re: AMERICAS OLDEST GANG

Post by HoodBeenUp » April 16th, 2012, 1:19 am

Nice article, but how can they be the americas oldest gang when New York, Boston, Philly and Chicago had gangs since the 1830s...... on. And what did they help influence? Because New York started color banging in America (brought from europe) and Chicago added in the drive-by. Interesting thought they been around for a hot minute props they didn't flip or anything.

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Re: AMERICAS OLDEST GANG

Post by mayugastank » April 16th, 2012, 1:31 am

HoodBeenUp wrote:Nice article, but how can they be the americas oldest gang when New York, Boston, Philly and Chicago had gangs since the 1830s...... on. And what did they help influence? Because New York started color banging in America (brought from europe) and Chicago added in the drive-by. Interesting thought they been around for a hot minute props they didn't flip or anything.

Gangs of New York have disintergrated. There isnt one gang from 1830s thats around today. This gang is the exact same gang-that was there in the 1890s, in the same neighborhood. Dogtown 13 was the starters of modern gang culture-the form of tattooing-dressing-khakis-white Ts-pendletons-short hair-the style of tattoos-gang graffiti they also helped create almost everything thats fashion today. They were also responsible for creating modern skater culture, since the DOGTOWN and ZBOYS became popular after copying thsi gangs style of dress and graffiti and putting it on their skateboards. Notice the ZBOYS moniker is exactly like the dogtown gangs graffiti. America didnt understand these white kids who grew up around Mexicans and didnt understand hwo they dressed and acted which is what made them so popular.

As for European gangs bringing colors. This gang is the prerequisite of every modern gang-by their dress-gang signals what they write and their form of tattooing. They are the first Sureno gang and the first modern gang. By Modern I mean -what we see as street culture today. Tattoos-chinos-khakis-they form of writing
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Re: AMERICAS OLDEST GANG

Post by mayugastank » April 16th, 2012, 1:54 am

As for DOGTOWN starting much of modern American fashion and what most people wear today:

Dogtown bangers were relocated into where Venice interlaps the westside. White youths picked up on their styles of dress-graffiti and begun imitating the Mexican bangers. Suicidal Tendenceies one of Americas first white alternative groups which gave rise to groups like Sublime...and many others also found the gang as their idols.....ZBOYS created the entire culture of skateboarding.....they did so because American youths found them cool. They picked up on chicano styles of dress as did most mdoern youths in America today.
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Re: AMERICAS OLDEST GANG

Post by mayugastank » April 16th, 2012, 2:07 am

Also -the founders of the crips and probably the first crip gang EASTSIDE CRIPS begun in the area where DOGTOWN and EASTSIDE CLOVERS are located. The original crips were known as Dogtown Crips and more then likely took their style of dress and graffiti and inkwork and lifestyle from this gang.

If we are looking for a start to modern gang culture , this is the gang who started it all. The tattooing-the dress-lowriding-the gang signaling, the stuff no New York gang had ever done.

The beginings of modern American gang culture is right here.

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Re: AMERICAS OLDEST GANG

Post by mayugastank » April 16th, 2012, 2:23 am

mayugastank wrote:Also -the founders of the crips and probably the first crip gang EASTSIDE CRIPS begun in the area where DOGTOWN and EASTSIDE CLOVERS are located. The original crips were known as Dogtown Crips and more then likely took their style of dress and graffiti and inkwork and lifestyle from this gang.

If we are looking for a start to modern gang culture , this is the gang who started it all. The tattooing-the dress-lowriding-the gang signaling, the stuff no New York gang had ever done.

The beginings of modern American gang culture is right here.

Guess who made the documentary MADE IN AMERICA CRIPS AND BLOODS? Zephyr skateboard founder Stacy Peralta........you know why? because he was there to witness their birth.......They started on the oustkirts of where he grew and right next to the Dogtown 13 gang. They took alot of what people consider Westcoast culture directly from thsi gang of young mexican bangers. Is it a wonder why? this gang had more history then any gang nationwide by the time the crips came around.

An Irish kid who had transplanted into Los Angelos was one of the founders of this gang ........which might explain how Mexican kids in Los Angelos begun wearing bandanas and fighting for colors.....this kid along with other discrimated against youth ( at the time Irish were not seen as whites) sought out the mexican kids and begun modern American gangster culture.

Here is William Dunes take on dogtown from his book gangs of Los Angelos

"There is no gang turf more desperately unique than that hidden among the 464 square miles which make up the City of Los Angeles. It is a fragile place; both tantalizing and repulsive, where wild fires can scorch hill-top celebrity homes as easily as gang members decimate a housing project with automatic rifle fire.
The Gangs of Los Angeles is a classic, real life account of American crime. From the early Tomato Gangs of 1890’s Boyle Heights to the modern Crips and Mara Salvatrucha, with side trips through an Irish Dogtown, the gang wars of “Happy Valley”, Sleepy Lagoon and the yellow journalism of the Hearst Press, and a tragic murder at Sunset and Vine, Dunn recounts the events and notorious denizens that spawned LA’s gang subculture.


Mexicans with input from a New york Irish youth begun modern American gangster culture. Although the form of dress of these type of gansgters was new, it was still a poor mans play on the style of Italian mafia culture (suits ) . The Dickies etc......also Mexicans inputed their cultures art and begun modern American tattoo culture......remember Cortez...upon landing in Mexico sent word to Europe (spain) that Aztecs had learned how to inplant demons onto their skin. Tattooing was heavy for Aztecs. Wouldnt it be surprising that Chicanos would tattoo themselves and wear European bandanas along with modern American workforce gear? since it was cheap? Everything about street culture today can be traced to this gang because this gang took a New yorker ( or shall we say Italian) gang culture and gave it a Mexican twist

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Re: AMERICAS OLDEST GANG

Post by mayugastank » April 16th, 2012, 2:23 am

mayugastank wrote:Also -the founders of the crips and probably the first crip gang EASTSIDE CRIPS begun in the area where DOGTOWN and EASTSIDE CLOVERS are located. The original crips were known as Dogtown Crips and more then likely took their style of dress and graffiti and inkwork and lifestyle from this gang.

If we are looking for a start to modern gang culture , this is the gang who started it all. The tattooing-the dress-lowriding-the gang signaling, the stuff no New York gang had ever done.

The beginings of modern American gang culture is right here.

Guess who made the documentary MADE IN AMERICA CRIPS AND BLOODS? Zephyr skateboard founder Stacy Peralta........you know why? because he was there to witness their birth.......They started on the oustkirts of where he grew and right next to the Dogtown 13 gang. They took alot of what people consider Westcoast culture directly from thsi gang of young mexican bangers. Is it a wonder why? this gang had more history then any gang nationwide by the time the crips came around.

An Irish kid who had transplanted into Los Angelos was one of the founders of this gang ........which might explain how Mexican kids in Los Angelos begun wearing bandanas and fighting for colors.....this kid along with other discrimated against youth ( at the time Irish were not seen as whites) sought out the mexican kids and begun modern American gangster culture.

Here is William Dunes take on dogtown from his book gangs of Los Angelos

"There is no gang turf more desperately unique than that hidden among the 464 square miles which make up the City of Los Angeles. It is a fragile place; both tantalizing and repulsive, where wild fires can scorch hill-top celebrity homes as easily as gang members decimate a housing project with automatic rifle fire.
The Gangs of Los Angeles is a classic, real life account of American crime. From the early Tomato Gangs of 1890’s Boyle Heights to the modern Crips and Mara Salvatrucha, with side trips through an Irish Dogtown, the gang wars of “Happy Valley”, Sleepy Lagoon and the yellow journalism of the Hearst Press, and a tragic murder at Sunset and Vine, Dunn recounts the events and notorious denizens that spawned LA’s gang subculture.


Mexicans with input from a New york Irish youth begun modern American gangster culture. Although the form of dress of these type of gansgters was new, it was still a poor mans play on the style of Italian mafia culture (suits ) . The Dickies etc......also Mexicans inputed their cultures art and begun modern American tattoo culture......remember Cortez...upon landing in Mexico sent word to Europe (spain) that Aztecs had learned how to inplant demons onto their skin. Tattooing was heavy for Aztecs. Wouldnt it be surprising that Chicanos would tattoo themselves and wear European bandanas along with modern American workforce gear? since it was cheap? Everything about street culture today can be traced to this gang because this gang took a New yorker ( or shall we say Italian) gang culture and gave it a Mexican twist

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Re: AMERICAS OLDEST GANG

Post by shortyworst » April 16th, 2012, 2:28 am

HoodBeenUp wrote:Nice article, but how can they be the americas oldest gang when New York, Boston, Philly and Chicago had gangs since the 1830s...... on. And what did they help influence? Because New York started color banging in America (brought from europe) and Chicago added in the drive-by. Interesting thought they been around for a hot minute props they didn't flip or anything.
:lol: naw joe u missed the part where it said they've been around since the 1890s and are STILL bangin. the gangs from chicago NY and philly long gone.

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Post by mayugastank » April 16th, 2012, 2:30 am

mayugastank wrote:Also -the founders of the crips and probably the first crip gang EASTSIDE CRIPS begun in the area where DOGTOWN and EASTSIDE CLOVERS are located. The original crips were known as Dogtown Crips and more then likely took their style of dress and graffiti and inkwork and lifestyle from this gang.

If we are looking for a start to modern gang culture , this is the gang who started it all. The tattooing-the dress-lowriding-the gang signaling, the stuff no New York gang had ever done.

The beginings of modern American gang culture is right here.

Guess who made the documentary MADE IN AMERICA CRIPS AND BLOODS? Zephyr skateboard founder Stacy Peralta........you know why? because he was there to witness their birth.......They started on the oustkirts of where he grew and right next to the Dogtown 13 gang. They took alot of what people consider Westcoast culture directly from thsi gang of young mexican bangers. Is it a wonder why? this gang had more history then any gang nationwide by the time the crips came around.

An Irish kid who had transplanted into Los Angelos was one of the founders of this gang ........which might explain how Mexican kids in Los Angelos begun wearing bandanas and fighting for colors.....this kid along with other discrimated against youth ( at the time Irish were not seen as whites) sought out the mexican kids and begun modern American gangster culture.

Here is William Dunes take on dogtown from his book gangs of Los Angelos

"There is no gang turf more desperately unique than that hidden among the 464 square miles which make up the City of Los Angeles. It is a fragile place; both tantalizing and repulsive, where wild fires can scorch hill-top celebrity homes as easily as gang members decimate a housing project with automatic rifle fire.
The Gangs of Los Angeles is a classic, real life account of American crime. From the early Tomato Gangs of 1890’s Boyle Heights to the modern Crips and Mara Salvatrucha, with side trips through an Irish Dogtown, the gang wars of “Happy Valley”, Sleepy Lagoon and the yellow journalism of the Hearst Press, and a tragic murder at Sunset and Vine, Dunn recounts the events and notorious denizens that spawned LA’s gang subculture.


Mexicans with input from a New york Irish youth begun modern American gangster culture. Although the form of dress of these type of gansgters was new, it was still a poor mans play on the style of Italian mafia culture (suits ) . The Dickies etc......also Mexicans inputed their cultures art and begun modern American tattoo culture......remember Cortez...upon landing in Mexico sent word to Europe (spain) that Aztecs had learned how to inplant demons onto their skin. Tattooing was heavy for Aztecs. Wouldnt it be surprising that Chicanos would tattoo themselves and wear European bandanas along with modern American workforce gear? since it was cheap? Everything about street culture today can be traced to this gang because this gang took a New yorker ( or shall we say Italian) gang culture and gave it a Mexican twist. They started and had been around exactly where the birth of the crips started. Is it a wonder why so crips at their start would dress like these beginers of gang culture?

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Post by mayugastank » April 16th, 2012, 2:31 am

mayugastank wrote:Also -the founders of the crips and probably the first crip gang EASTSIDE CRIPS begun in the area where DOGTOWN and EASTSIDE CLOVERS are located. The original crips were known as Dogtown Crips and more then likely took their style of dress and graffiti and inkwork and lifestyle from this gang.

If we are looking for a start to modern gang culture , this is the gang who started it all. The tattooing-the dress-lowriding-the gang signaling, the stuff no New York gang had ever done.

The beginings of modern American gang culture is right here.

Guess who made the documentary MADE IN AMERICA CRIPS AND BLOODS? Zephyr skateboard founder Stacy Peralta........you know why? because he was there to witness their birth.......They started on the oustkirts of where he grew and right next to the Dogtown 13 gang. They took alot of what people consider Westcoast culture directly from thsi gang of young mexican bangers. Is it a wonder why? this gang had more history then any gang nationwide by the time the crips came around.

An Irish kid who had transplanted into Los Angelos was one of the founders of this gang ........which might explain how Mexican kids in Los Angelos begun wearing bandanas and fighting for colors.....this kid along with other discrimated against youth ( at the time Irish were not seen as whites) sought out the mexican kids and begun modern American gangster culture.

Here is William Dunes take on dogtown from his book gangs of Los Angelos

"There is no gang turf more desperately unique than that hidden among the 464 square miles which make up the City of Los Angeles. It is a fragile place; both tantalizing and repulsive, where wild fires can scorch hill-top celebrity homes as easily as gang members decimate a housing project with automatic rifle fire.
The Gangs of Los Angeles is a classic, real life account of American crime. From the early Tomato Gangs of 1890’s Boyle Heights to the modern Crips and Mara Salvatrucha, with side trips through an Irish Dogtown, the gang wars of “Happy Valley”, Sleepy Lagoon and the yellow journalism of the Hearst Press, and a tragic murder at Sunset and Vine, Dunn recounts the events and notorious denizens that spawned LA’s gang subculture.


Mexicans with input from a New york Irish youth begun modern American gangster culture. Although the form of dress of these type of gansgters was new, it was still a poor mans play on the style of Italian mafia culture (suits ) . The Dickies etc......also Mexicans inputed their cultures art and begun modern American tattoo culture......remember Cortez...upon landing in Mexico sent word to Europe (spain) that Aztecs had learned how to inplant demons onto their skin. Tattooing was heavy for Aztecs. Wouldnt it be surprising that Chicanos would tattoo themselves and wear European bandanas along with modern American workforce gear? since it was cheap? Everything about street culture today can be traced to this gang because this gang took a New yorker ( or shall we say Italian) gang culture and gave it a Mexican twist. They started and had been around exactly where the birth of the crips started. Is it a wonder why so crips at their start would dress like these beginers of gang culture?

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Post by HoodBeenUp » April 16th, 2012, 3:51 am

Yeah all the independent chicago gangs got swallowed up.....into one big "nation" like GDs, Stone, Vice Lords, Kings. A Irish kid from New York huh? thats interesting. Kind of like the Saints in Chicago, was a polish gang now its mostly Mexican.

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Post by Sprucesta » April 16th, 2012, 7:21 am

im pretty sure there are other irish or italian gangs that are older than this one, it might p los angeles oldest gang but not americas oldest gang

and dogtown crips was not the name of the first crip gang...

raymond washington grew up somewhere around roosevelt park on tha eastside of south central not in dogtown

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Post by SLAPURBYTCHASS » April 16th, 2012, 11:27 am

HoodBeenUp wrote:Nice article, but how can they be the americas oldest gang when New York, Boston, Philly and Chicago had gangs since the 1830s...... on. And what did they help influence? Because New York started color banging in America (brought from europe) and Chicago added in the drive-by. Interesting thought they been around for a hot minute props they didn't flip or anything.
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Post by TheSpade » April 16th, 2012, 1:06 pm

Please go back to sg.com mugya or whateva yo name is fucking.mexican.properganda

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Post by mayugastank » April 16th, 2012, 8:17 pm

There are Americas oldest gang.Period. There is not a gang thats active today with a quarter of the history of this gang. MOST of what constitutes American banging started with this group.

Los Angelos Oldest gang by FAR, the only other gang that come close are 30 years YOUNGER.

They are Americas oldest longest living gang. There are no gangs in New york that have lasted as long, the vast majority have died off or were adapted into Italian Mafia families.

Everything tahts street today started witrh this group

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Post by ACE2 » April 16th, 2012, 8:36 pm

Sprucesta wrote:im pretty sure there are other irish or italian gangs that are older than this one, it might p los angeles oldest gang but not americas oldest gang

and dogtown crips was not the name of the first crip gang...

raymond washington grew up somewhere around roosevelt park on tha eastside of south central not in dogtown

:lol: @ them being called dogtown crip... Most gangs that became crips or bloods were independent before the 70s....

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Post by HoodBeenUp » April 16th, 2012, 10:00 pm

May- The are the oldest living gang I give them hella props for that. Its actually quite insane, so much history. The thing with New York and Chicago gangs is they merged into the mega gangs we have today as I said before like the Gangster Disciples, Black P Stones, Vice Lords, Latin Kings, and other medium sized mobs. So the independent history of gangs in Chicago and New York is gone....now the traditions is mostly from when these super mobs were created. And I am sure this gang had some influence on gang culture, but not all of it. New York started the color banging, Chicago started the drive-by, mobs like gangs, busting hats to the left and right. 5 and 6 points starts, shags (which mexican bangers in chicago use). The tattooing is probably one of the things dogtown started and some styles of gang wear. I wonder who started graffiti though.

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Post by stoptheviolence » April 17th, 2012, 12:56 am

HoodBeenUp wrote:Nice article, but how can they be the americas oldest gang when New York, Boston, Philly and Chicago had gangs since the 1830s...... on. And what did they help influence? Because New York started color banging in America (brought from europe) and Chicago added in the drive-by. Interesting thought they been around for a hot minute props they didn't flip or anything.
mark twain said "America has only three cities: New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland.” :lol: so you can't have a discussion about the oldest gangs and not mention san francisco or new orleans. in the 1800's san fran had a gang problem, look up the chinese tong wars. the tongs are considered one of the oldest secret societies to have ties to organized crime. and the mafia in america got its start in new orleans. im sure a lot of people think the american mafia started in ny or chicago, but thats not the case. anyway, just throwing in my :2cents: this is an interesting dicussion

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Post by HoodBeenUp » April 17th, 2012, 3:37 am

The mob didn't start in New Orleans.....lol. They did have a crime family there though. And almost every place that is a city had some type of gang or tribe.....history can only go back so far

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Post by stoptheviolence » April 17th, 2012, 4:30 am

HoodBeenUp wrote:The mob didn't start in New Orleans.....lol. They did have a crime family there though. And almost every place that is a city had some type of gang or tribe.....history can only go back so far
ok if it didn't start in new orleans, then name a mafia related incident that pre-dates the murder of police chief hennessy. according to all the things ive read, that's where the american branch of the mafia's origins lie. the term 'mafia' was introduced in a newspaper article talking about that incident.

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